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published here are just a few of the threads documenting the early days of dice
setting strategies and opinions written by the pioneers of dice influencing.
Topic: BLACK LIST
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Date: 9/7/2001 2:06:10 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
Billy
Slogan: NO ROLL
Is anyone else getting nervous as the blacklist grows?I'm
wondering if this is going to continue.
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Date: 9/7/2001 3:37:10 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
shooter
tHE BLACKLIST doesnt mean a thing to casinos for every
knowledgable player that wont play there there is a few 100 players that dont have a clue
that will
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Date: 9/7/2001 6:14:31 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
Billy
Slogan: they gotta hit the wall
I'm not worried about the casinos,they'll never close.What
worries me is will I have a place to shoot without heat!
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Date: 9/8/2001 12:01:15 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
SHOOTER57
You will find that you make more money off the other players
if they are not allowed to set than you would if you can set. Play your cards as they
lay. GOOD LUCK
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Date: 9/8/2001 1:06:48 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
irishsetter
S-57,
That's absolutely not true. If you're depending on random rollers , then you are playing a
negative expectation game. When I throw, the game is a positive expectation game. When
others are shooting I play so very conservatively so that I have maximum bankroll to wager
on myself. Hit, Run Cash in... ~ka-ching!~
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Date: 9/11/2001 11:19:39 AM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
KRUE
Slogan: Kid Rolling Unlimited Elevens!
I have to agree with irishsetter. When its my turn to shoot I
have a very high confidence level. When other shooters shake, rattle, and randomly roll the
dice I tend not to be so confident in their shooting. Therefore I don't bet on them.
However I must agree with shooter that while we the wise few are aware of which casinos do
not allow dice setting, there are hundreds more who will go and play.
The casinos know this and will continually make money on that, but at the same time will
hassle us precision shooters as an unwelcome pest.
I'm waiting to see if the casinos will start posting signs that say: NO DICE SETTING
ALLOWED! at their tables.
Until then Ill keep setting my dice and continue to emerge a winner! GOOD LUCK
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Date: 9/11/2001 4:54:06 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
SHOOTER57
I think you misunderstood me Irish.As a dont bettor I would
rather see a table full of non setters and as for your comment that youcan change the game
to a positive expectation is incorrect you can only change it to a less negative game I
mean you still 7out eventually dont you?Casinos that bar setters are just playing into my
hands and I do love to set my signature numbers are 5/6/10 my best performance to date 13
10s in 30 minutes but because of my method of play similar to the Proffesors with my own
embellishments I was able to make as much on the mostly chicken feeders at the table.Dice
setting is becoming the quick fix for guys who really dont want to take the time to learn
and MASTER the game of games.GOOD LUCK
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Date: 9/11/2001 8:07:18 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
Linaway
Ok guys, I myself am an avid buff of fully understanding the
properties of the cubes. I use this knowledge whether dice are in my hands or
another's.
Knowing the probability of possible numbers can possibly be an indicator when seen in
others hands. For instance, you see four 7's in a set, looks to me like an opportunity for
a lay, dc or even .........look out...go after a progression bet of the 7's. Gonna get
flack on this one! You know....goodness sakes linaway....don't you know the house odds are
at 16.7%? Odds tables are for the house, setting can skew those odds big time as well as
table trends.
The point I'm trying to make is that the game is not just about setting but the
"TOTAL GAME". I'm not strong on the don't side simply because I have developed
what expertise I have around the do side. I'm very willing to learn!
Like a mentioned, I will chase the 7's providing the indicators tell me so, even if it's
the come out roll [oops, the dark side]. For that matter, I focus very hard on tracking
the table to see just what is there and how to approach it.
Most have given their best on this site and I for one have given it all I've got. Guess
what....I'm still learning.
Hey Irish, and others, I understand this site is primarily for setting and have dedicated
a dozen or so articles to that premise. Would there be a possibility of generating
associated studies regarding playing a total game. Hopefully without major "HISSING
CONTESTS" that are present on so many
forums?
Granted, Craps pit and others has a ton of strategies as well as some at this site.
One major element of the game that's missing in any forum you go to is "HOW DO YOU
TRACK A TABLE". When this question typically is put to the forums, the honorable
participants reply by saying......what are you tracking for? Ol' dummy me, guess I should
have said "THE TOTAL GAME IN PROGRESS".
Could be newer players would benefit as well as some of us older dogs. No pun intended
there "irish...woof".
What do you think anyone? linaway
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Date: 9/11/2001 9:22:49 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
irishsetter
Home Page: ~woof~
S-57,
When I speak of overcoming the negative expectation, I'm talking of overcoming the
percentage difference of what the house pays a player in contrast to true odds. I DO
INDEED overcome the negative expection. For instance, one only has to throw the dice in a
manner that increases the appearance of the 8 by 2.7 percent to have an 8 percent
advantage over the house. THAT is positive expectation. Yes, I will seven out eventually,
sometimes not even eventually, sometimes in only 6 to 8 rolls. BUT in that time, by
knowing my sets, and knowing the correct corresponding wagers, even with relatively short
rolls I overcome the negative expectation. If some players use precision shooting as a
quick fix as you put it, so be it. For me, discipline, overall knowledge of the game and
precision shooting make me a force to be reckoned with.
Linaway, I'm always looking for opinions, sadly I'd have to draw the line at that looney
bet the 7 strategy which is promoted by another site. I've done the research and the holes
in that particular premise are large enough to drive a truck through. Besides the HA on
that bet, there is a 33% chance that 7 will not appear in the recommended progression you
speak of. If you insist on using that particular nightmare of a strategy, at least HOP the
7's instead which will give you a payoff closer to true odds and a 5% reduction in the HA.
I don't want to offend you, so please don't take it that way. And I do enjoy your
perspectives, but unless you're going to bet the 7's to the bitter end, (1 or 5 or 10 or
30 rolls) I can't post that theory in good conscience. Tracking the table and other
contributions on other aspects of the game are VERY welcome. Hope to hear from you soon!
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Date: 9/11/2001 10:59:19 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
Linaway
Irish'
No offense taken. PLease don't misunderstand my intent of 7 pursuit. My "Less Is
More" article gives application definition of the 7 usage for come out.
Not unlike all numbers on the board, as events occur, I use the appropriate number or
numbers as a tool to achieve my bet goals, the 7 just happens to be one of them. Rational
pursuit limits of any number must be observed. And yes, much prefer the 15 to 1 as opposed
to the 7 to 1 odds in the right place and the right time. Some Casinos will not allow
hops.
Circumstances can prevail over strategies. Such as players working place bets on come out.
When shooters like Heavy or Mp or 57 or billy even myself have a turn at the dice,
"working bet" players on come out are going to get burnt simply because the
probability of the 7 is immanent in the sets used by us. For that matter, the DP's worst
enemy is the 7.
The intent of my prior post was not to advocate the other site and its pursuits, but to
reflect on the need for "Total Game Knowledge" and how to use that knowledge to
take advantage of predominant event occurrences.
Looking forward to seeing information on gathering table data and how to use it. Thanks
for response. linaway
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Date: 9/12/2001 4:11:28 AM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
Dylanfreak
Slogan: have fun
Irishsetter----May I ask what you mean by HOP the 7?----Thanks
Dylanfreak
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Date: 9/12/2001 11:16:12 AM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
Billy
Slogan: hippity hop
D/Freak...Hop the sevens is a three unit,one roll bet on the
three combinations that the seven can roll(5/2,6/1.4/3),and they are paid just like a YO
bet. Some jurisdictions don't offer this wager (primarily A/C until recently) But it is
becoming more widely available.
You can hop any number or combination of numbers, once again they are paid like a YO unless
the bet is on a hard way then it is paid like a bet on aces or midnight.
If the table doesn't have a "hop layout" the box will set the bet up above the
prop box and show the camera the wager with his fingers.
If you choose to use this bet you must bet a unit on each combination possible and specify
what combos your wager will be on. Its called like this" sevens hop a dollar
each"($3 wager on 6/1,5/2 4/3)or "easy sixes hop a dollar each"(5/1,4/2 a
$2 bet) or "hard six hops for a nickle"($5 bet on 3/3) or "five four hops
for a buck"($1 wager on5/4).
These hop bets are high vig just like a YO or Horn but they can sometimes be used to your
advantage in certain situations. Try it its fun, especially when they win.
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Date: 9/14/2001 8:57:55 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
Aloha Joe
I frankly have never experienced any "heat" when
setting the dice. Perhaps its because I go to vegas-downtown; aladdin, venetian. The
dealers and pit people didn't seem to care. Used the crossed sixes for 45 min. on a long
roll at Main Street.
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Date: 9/17/2001 3:41:49 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
BlackCloud
Slogan: UgHHH!
UGHHH! ME like --KA--CHING- sound good!
UGHHH!
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Date: 9/17/2001 6:40:41 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
roadrunner
Slogan: May the dice be nice!
I have been asked to refrain from throwing into the corner
(2nd base dealer hook) from stick left at the shoe
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Date: 9/17/2001 8:47:17 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
heavy
Slogan: HUGE stock market buy opportunity NOW
A lot of dealers don't like you throwing to the corner because
it makes it harder for the stick to retrieve the dice. Someone's place bets or odds are
always getting knocked over. Makes more work for the dealer and it SLOWS the game down.
Remember the MAIN reason ANY casino complains about dice setting or throwing techniques is
because is slows the game.
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Date: 9/20/2001 4:37:40 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
BlackCloud
Slogan: UgHHH!
UGHHH! Me find 2 favorite strip
joints on BLACK LIST
Bad Medcine! UGHHH!
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