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Topic: Thanks Mad P but I need help - Mechanics
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Date: 11/9/2001 10:17:31 AM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
Stu
Slogan: Professional want-to-be
I was in AC for the last 2 days, and took a beating. Lack of
discipline and patience were my biggest problems. I am working on those issues.
Finding empty tables was not easy, even during mid week.
I stayed at a comp room at the Sands, and earned a gourmet comp ($50) to Luna's at the
Claridge (thanks to your articles stressing the use of the comp card). That was probably my
first time being in such an upscale restaurant. I was almost fearful to ask for that type
of comp, even though I did not know it was that type of restaurant, though I knew it was
classier than the buffet. I had to ask the hostess was I under dressed.
Again, thanks to your articles that stress the pleasures of fine food and the fine dining
experience, I got a glimpse into a another world.
FOUR QUESTIONS ON THE MECHANICS
1. Ideally, using your normal grip, and I assume standing to the immediate right hand side
of the stick man, how far (2" or 4" or 6" or 8" etc.) from the back
wall is the ideal landing spot of the dice?
2. Ideally, how much space is between the dice when they leave your hand AND when they
land (no space 1/16" 1/8" 1/4" etc)?
3. It seems, I'm able to throw the dice mirror like, but I have not become consistent in
the dice rolling together upon landing.....they scatter or pop around. Any suggestions?
4. However, the last 8 7-outs from the trip, had 6 of them with a 3 or a 4. I was using
the flying-v set....so the they were on axis but that was highly frustrating. I tried
rolling one die, one turn, to avoid it but it didn't help much. MY goal was to avoid the
on axis 7-out. Any comments?
I have read 100% of your articles. And I find many gems in your message board
postings...that didn't make it into one of the articles. Since all past postings are not
easily available, I will print your response.
Thanks. Keep up the good work.
Maintaining persistence.
Stu.
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Date: 11/11/2001 3:25:23 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
heavy
Slogan: Set 'em & Forget 'em
Stu -
I'll give you the "heavy" version of an answer. I'm sure MP will get to you as
well. And by the way - congratulations on the comp. I make it a practice to end every
session with a request for SOMETHING - even if I'm not going to use it. Unused comps get
credited back to your account - and it can help build your balance over the long run.
When I'm standing next to stick I throw the dice directly down the don't pass line -
aiming for the big 6/8 box - and a gentle bounce against the back wall near the hook. I
know you don't have the big 6/8 in AC - so this will be the area just inside the come area
at the hook - trying to bounce gently over any bets in the hook. On occasions when that
spot doesn't work I'll toss them to a spot about 6-8 inches short of the DP line on the
far end - pretty much straight out - with the dice hitting in the come area and again
bouncing over any bets. Last of all - if I'm trying to kill the dice for a specific number
- say I'm trying to do the dead cat bounce with a hard eight up - then I aim at the space
at the back of the layout - trying to land the dice within a half inch or so of the back
wall so they rock against the flat space at the back of the wall without tumbling. I put a
little more loft on the dice for that move.
I'm a stacker - so I don't worry about space between the dice when shooting from next to
stick. From straight out the dice are locked together on the release and mo more then 1.5
- 3 inches apart upon landing - hopefully on axis.
You're problem with the dice scattering or popping around may be related to the loft on
the dice. Try keeping them a little lower on the table and see if that might help.
I am very conscious of my body position, set, release, loft and strike point when throwing
the dice. If I get a toss I particularly like - say a 5-4 nine - which is what I generally
set for - then I'll continue to repeat that same exact throw over and over - working on
repeating that single number for as many hits as possible. You'd be surprised how many
time's I've thrown 5 or 6 nines in a row.
Hell - Sometimes I surprise myself.
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Date: 11/11/2001 5:59:22 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
Mad Professor
Hi Stu,
I posted long answers to your questions three times in a row, but they got lost in
cyber-space when this Board went down.
Just like John Patrick would advocate; after three straight losses, I WALKED. I put the
lengthy answers in my upcoming article, "Even More Cyber-Questions."
Irishsetter will be able to tell you when it will be published on this site.
In the meantime, the short answers are as follows:
(i) The landing-zone varies from table to table, and ranges from 20" away the
backwall, all the way down to 0" at the base of the wall.
(ii) The dice leave my hand side-by-side. The space between them when they reach their
final resting area, is NOT important. What IS important is that they both tumble the same
number of rotations.
(iii) Dice "pop" or scatter is usually caused by using way TOO MUCH force when
you throw them.
(iv) The fact that the 3 is showing on one die, and the 4 is showing on the other; tells
you that one dice rotated EXACTLY two more rotations than the other. Heavy is correct. The
straightest throwing-lane will give you the truest roll-out for the dice.
Stu, congratulations on experiencing Luna. I really like the crab-suffed littleneck clams
and the antipasto cart there. I always have the pan-seared Red Snapper. I've been a BIG
fan of red snapper since I was a young teenager.
I hope that you'll read the detailed answers to your questions in that upcoming article.
Good Luck & Good Skill at the Tables...and congratulations with the gourmet comp.
MP
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Date: 11/11/2001 10:54:43 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
Stu
Slogan: Professional want-to-be
To Mad P.
Thanks for the reply.
Thanks for the 3 efforts at posting long answers. I really, really, really, enjoy your
long answers. I receive 5 "NoRepy@eMessage Forum Response" messages indicating
that you and others were trying to post messages, but no response was posted because of
the board being down. Even Irishsetter stated that you were trying to post a response.
At Lunas I had Red snapper...its surprising tha you mentioned it. I was surprised there
were bones in the fish, I thought it was some type of fillet. I can't even remember the
names of the food the waiter was calling off. That was truly and experience.
The waiter, if he is called a waiter, put the cheese and pepper on my ceasar salad for me.
The pepper grinder was about 12" long and 4" wide and he turn a crank and pepper
came out. I am sure that a retaurant like that is a nice way to impress a lady.
I had to ask the guy how much was I supposed to tip. The total was $51 of which I had a
$50 comp and I tipped $15 on my credit card. Was that appropriate or is more customary?
I eagerly await the cyber space article.
Great ansers to the questions. I will begin to practice them immidiately.
1. Do you walk after 3 losses per table, or 3 losses per day?
I do remember you saying that you had a $500 stop loss. I would have done much better is I
had applied so type of "quit for the day rule".
2. Though you talked about the table sweet spots, that you previously tracked on your
computer, I always thought your landing spot was 3" off the back wall. It's good to
hear the expanded information.
It would seem that a 20" roll to the back wall, would encourage the dice to come off
of their axis more that 3-5" roll?
What specific factors determine when you do a 20" role? And the same question for a
0" role? If the answer to this question is long, please add it to the article, but
even a short answer will send me in the right direction for now.
To Irish setter:
Much appreciation for getting the message board back up. When do you think the cyber space
article will post?
To Heavy: Thanks for the response.
Stu
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Date: 11/12/2001 1:03:15 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
Stu
Slogan: Professional want-to-be
To Mad P.
The following question is in regards to your normal grip, not the Long Ranger
grip.........and probably from the position closest to the stick.
If this is a table where you plan to throw the dice at 0" to 3" from the wall
(that means you aiming for the rubber base or very close to it with little or no forward
roll):
How do you get the "dead cat bounce" or a "dead cat roll" at that
landing spot, without the throwing height coming above the rail (since you mentioned in a
previous BB post that the dice NEVER come above the rail)?
...And without the dice forcefully bouncing off the rubber bottom with a roll back of
10-15 plus tumbles (since ideally you want the dice to stop at the wall or roll back no
more than 2 or 3 tumbles, hopefully on axis)?
Thanks and anxiously waiting for a response.
To Irsish setter:
When can we expect the article of the guy who went pro in 3 months? Please post that
article and the one requested in the above BB posting as soon as feasible.
Thanks.....still trying to master the throwing mechanics.
Stu
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Date: 11/12/2001 8:19:41 PM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
Mad Professor
Hi Stu,
The dead-cat bounce is achieved through the proper use of trajectory and the smallest
amount of forward energy. It takes a very light touch when throwing the dice.
The "90 Days to Freedom" article on turning pro in three months is coming your
way in the near future.
MP
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Date: 11/13/2001 9:09:57 AM (Pacific USA) |
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Author:
Stu
Slogan: Professional want-to-be
To Mad P.
I eagearly await the "90 Days to Freedom" article.
Thanks.
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