
How Did You Decide On Your Set? Please remember! These
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here MikyM I have a general question for the board.
How did you decide on your set? I am just about done tracking my tosses
for the crossed six set. Next, I want to try the Flying V set. In any case, after you
tried all the sets and figured out what your signature numbers were for each set, how did
you figure out what was best? I mean, did one set indicate your signature number was an
eight, and another set indicate your signature number was a six, and if so, what made your
decision? Or when you were done, was it was completely obvious which set you would use? Dylanfreak After tracking many sets in practice, I
looked at the totals of each number thrown using that set and the total of all the other
numbers and according to which way I was going to bet , which in my case is either Pass
line with odds , Dont Pass and odds, and/or placing the 6 and 8,I determined which set was
the best for me for my intentexpfor comeout ,shooting from the rightside, I looked
for the set with the most sevens to craps ratio and the most 6 and 8s that were thrown for
the comeout point number, and etcDylanfreak (by the way the set that worked for me
best on the comeout was 5/3 2/4. ) raydpratt A couple practice sessions ago, I was
using the allsevens set on the 1616 axles, and I kept coming out with a point of 5, over
& over, or an occasional 9. I dislike points of five or nine because there's no set
that can put 5's & 9's on all the rolling faces AND have the numbers that make up the
sevens doublepitched apart. I tried switching to the hardways set on
the 1616 axles, but I still kept getting points of 5 or 9. Finally, I realized that
points of 5 or 9 are both secondary hits out of either the allsevens set or the hardways
set, and I realized that secondary hits make up 50% of our random onaxle probabilities
and that we should expect more secondary hits than primary hits or doublepitched hits. So, I started throwing on the same 1616
axles but with the 32 five on top, and shazzam! I started throwing comeout sevens like
hotcakes flying off the griddle. I consider it a problem of skill rather
than a signature trend that I want to rely on, but it has taught me how to think about
what signature numbers are and how to change them before our skill improves. Very Respectfully, Ray
irishsetter I'm using the miniV most exclusively
now. The permutation that I'm using was determined by making thousands of practice throws
and analyzing the data. I went through the same process with the V3 and crossed sixes
set. MikyM Irishsetter, When you analyzed the data, what is it
that you found? That you hit more inside numbers, less sevens, a combination of both, more
hardways, etc? When I ask, I don't mean to try and mimic
your results, I'm just curious what made you decide?
irishsetter Miky, When I start with a set, I'll start with
the "classic" permutation. Let's say the crossed sixes, with the sixes on top.
I'll throw this permutation, and adjust the down table and dice faces. Generally you'll
get a feel for success or failure within several hundred throws. Then I'll change the top
face of one of the die and do the same thing. Basically, for MY throwing style, I'm
looking for the best results/most forgiveness for a sub set of a dice set. For the crossed
sixes, I ended up with: Left die Top: 2 Right Die Top: 6 Left die Facing: 6 right die facing:3 Left Die Downtable: 1 Right Die
downtable:4 there's data posted on the site for this
set (Real Practice Data) Would this permutation work for you? Maybe maybe not. I believe
each shooter is unique, and that there is no way to predict what will and will not work,
without actually shooting the dice. No graph or chart can predict what permutation within
a set will work for YOU or ME. I abandoned the crossed sixes due to the
HUGE amount of trash thrown and have seen solid results with the mini V. DiceDoctor Miky I use the same method of deduction that Irish uses. After literally thousands of tosses I am able to analyze the outcomes for each set and determine which permutation of that set gives me the *best* numbers. For example, using the 3 Vee will result
in more inside numbers (theoretical) so I look for the permutation of that set which gives
the best results for my toss. I have found that if I err during my
delivery it will often be the same error (it's in my grip) no matter the set. I will start
with the basic set as described by many authors then twist the right dice the same way for
every set. This maximizes my results because I have a swing flaw that shows up in my grip
when I get tired, lazy, tense, excited, etc... It will take some time but you will
eventually notice which one works best for your individual toss. Ray Linaway gave me a great permutation
of the 3 Vee that has worked well for me. He calls it "5's and 9's" because the
faces have 5/9 all around. The left die has 6 on top and 3 facing you. The right die has 3
on top and 2 facing you. I call it 6/3..3/2. Give it a try in practice and see if it works
for you. This set results in a 5 signature for me. Happy Chuckin MikyM DiceDoc, I just want to be sure I understand. Lets say you are using the 3V ee and you
have a flaw in your grip so when you toss, the left die goes off axis 75 percent of the
time, thus having outside numbers come up. You will turn the die, so the 3 Vee is no
linger the set, but you are getting the results as if you were tossing the 3 Vee? Thanks!
Dylanfreak MikyIts what Linaway calls tweaking
the diceI sometimes set the classic 3 V 3/2 3/6  for the number 6 or 8. If I
have trouble hitting 6s or 8s , I tweak the above set until it looks like this 4/5
4/6 still a 3V set after the numbers have been tweakedthe axis for both sets is
unchanged  1..6 5..2 Sometimes I use 4/6 4/5 which has the axis of 5..2 1..6
still a 3V setDylanfreak InsideIke For the come out, I use straight sixes
with the threes facing each other inside. I hit a lot of horns and natural 7's that way.
After the point is established, I usually use the flying V with both dice turned so that
the 51 are facing up. I made this adjustment because my double pitches tend to be
topbottom rather than frontback. Dylanfreak In Tahoe this past weekend I used 5/3 2/4
for the comeoutshooting for a point of 6 or 8 I used the 3/2 3/6 set and shooting for
a point of 5 ,9,4,10 I used Irish`s favorite set 6/2 2/4  a mini v set ( by the way on
one roll using the 6/2 2/4 set I rolled 5 straight 4s, two of them hard, and I wasn`t on
them)Dylanfreak MikyM Dylanfreak, Thanks for the info. Wow. Have I got a
lot of practicing to do! I have been practicing with the 3V. At
last count (about 900 tosses), I've have been landing a lot of 6's and 5's. The 8 is my
third sig. number, but that is only recently. I assume it is because my toss is getting
better. It will be interesting to try a different permutation and see how that works. Thanks again! Dylanfreak Miky As you practice more with the sets
you may be like me and find that each adjustment to the grip , table position, hardness
and bounce of the table, throwing motion will mean a subtle adjustment to the setI have
found my tossing of the dice is organiceverchangingwhich is why I practice quite a
bit hoping that I become more machine like in my delivery, although I know that each table
is different, so maybe organic is not a bad thingjust hope mscle memory kicks in
Good Luck Engineer
I have noticed that my signature numbers
outweigh the fixed dice set outcomes, or at least for myself I tend to throw the same
signatures. One set will produce more 4s and 10s and one will produce more 5s and 9s, but
the signature tends to be the same. V sets produce somewhat the same outcome for 6 & 8
so if they are a part of your signature I think you will see the same outcome moving from
set to set. 
